Comments on: Part 3 Of 4: Attacking DHT By Decreasing Androgen Receptors https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/ The science of hair loss Thu, 09 Dec 2021 18:49:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.1 By: Destin https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-91338 Thu, 19 Nov 2020 04:50:12 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-91338 Rob,

Have you heard of people using RU58841 and results wane over time and their hairloss actually gets worse? If I remember from some years back the theory was that the Androgen Receptors in the hair follicles either upregulates (adding even more androgen receptors) or the receptor mutates in some way where it’s impacted negatively allowing either Testosterone or other hormones to interact with it more resulting in hairloss.

I’m considering adding RU to my regime but I’ve always been a little fearful of this. Thoughts?

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By: Rob https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-40125 Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:28:18 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-40125 Hey Alex,

Thanks for flagging this — I didn’t realize I hadn’t linked to the study. It’s right here:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X12000423

These studies are also related (and helpful):

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960076010003602

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/10/5121

Best,
Rob

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By: Alex https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-40123 Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:23:16 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-40123 “In the prostate, reduced oxygen levels – in combination with DHT – dramatically increases androgen receptor activity. In fact, it increases androgen receptor expression six-fold versus DHT alone.”

HI Rob, could you please share this study? Seems interesting but I can not find anything online about this 6 fold thing, thanks in advance

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By: Julian https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-39237 Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:32:12 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-39237 In reply to Rob.

Is this the reason that Minoxidil works to regrow hair? In that more blood flow = more oxygen.

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By: Rob https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-38612 Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:43:42 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-38612 In reply to Anthony.

Hey Anthony,

I wrote a three-part series about the exercise-hair loss connection, which you can read here:

https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-1-of-3-the-exercise-and-hair-loss-connection/

https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-2-of-3-the-exercise-and-hair-loss-connection/

https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-3-the-exercise-hair-loss-connection/

Cardiovascular disease and pattern hair loss are certainly linked. The confounding factor: androgens! Androgens, under the wrong circumstances, encourage the onset of fibrosis and calcification — both of which are implicated in both AGA and heart disease.

Best,
Rob

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By: Anthony https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-38555 Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:36:02 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-38555 I really like the part about how hypoxia (lack of oxygen) increases receptor activities.
It makes me think of numerous studies showing connection between cardiovascular and thinning crow :
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/08037051.2015.1111021?journalCode=iblo20

Cardiovascular diseases can be linked to lack of exercising, do you think exercising could increase blood flow thus reducing hypoxia ?

Thanks

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By: Rob https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-27764 Thu, 01 Mar 2018 21:35:12 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-27764 In reply to Nicole.

Hey Nicole,

This is a challenging situation, since androgen receptor blockers like spironolactone can help improve hair loss outcomes drastically for women, but at the same time, create a dependency on the medication to keep the results (like finasteride for men).

In my experience with female readers, female pattern hair loss is often linked to at least one of the following:

-PCOS
-SIBO
-Hypothyroidism
-Hyperparathyroidism
-Nutrient deficiencies (typically vitamin D, B-12, and iron — and often exacerbated by SIBO)

These conditions often compound with each other, and while a medication like spironolocatone (or birth control) can often mask some of their symptoms (like hair loss), you might want to consider getting tested for all of the above. In my experience, the women who test for and successfully treat these conditions quickly see a resolution in their hair loss — and improvements in several other health aspects (including fertility). This could eliminate the need for you to take birth control as a means to stop hair loss, and at the same time, allow you to have children when the time comes.

Best,
Rob

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By: Nicole https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-27160 Tue, 20 Feb 2018 06:11:46 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-27160 Hello, I am a 25 year old female who for years suffered from hair loss. After countless hours spent on the internet and reading medical journals cover to cover, I found a temporary solution to my hair loss. I started taking a birth control pill which contained a progesterone derived from Spironolactone. Within months my hair loss stopped- pretty much completely. My hair looks normal again & I’ve now gone over a year without thinking about my hair every minute of the day!
Well, now that I am getting older & am in a long term relationship, I can’t help but wonder, what will happen when I want to have kids and will need to stop taking birth control? This is what has led me to your site. I am seeking advice in my next approach to battling DHT. My biggest fear is stopping this birth control and having my hair loss come back in full swing. I need a new solution that is conducive to pregnancy & for the long term.
Any advice is greatly appreciated!

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By: Rob https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-13389 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:39:51 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-13389 In reply to JB.

Hey JB,

Just to clarify, are you still taking dutasteride, or have you also stopped taking it in addition to RU? If the former, the challenge here is that there are a few moving variables here re: treatments, and it would be unwise of us to assign blame to RU without also acknowledging the possibility that these side effects may be a delayed onset from Dutasteride use. Research on this is still in its infancy, and while there are a few research teams currently working to identify which polymorphisms or environmental triggers are most closely associated with sexual side effects from 5-AR inhibition, even fewer are studying the side effects of 5-AR inhibitors used alongside other anti-androgens like RU.

Your blood work seems relatively normal for someone taking a 5-AR inhibitor. Total testosterone and estradiol increase in men taking finasteride / dutasteride. RU58841 has a relatively short half-life — one hour, with its anti-androgen metabolites having a half-life of up to 20 hours. Based on this and your blood work, my best bet is that 1) you’re still likely taking dutasteride, 2) you’re likely experiencing delayed onset side effects of dutasteride, and 3) RU may have had an interaction, but based on its half-life alone, it cannot explain your persistent side effects one year later.

I’m also open to being wrong about all of this — but based on the data, that’s my best guess.

Best,
Rob

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By: Rob https://perfecthairhealth.com/part-3-of-4-a-master-guide-of-the-best-and-worst-ways-to-fight-dht-for-hair-loss/#comment-13384 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:06:25 +0000 https://perfecthairhealth.com/?p=1565#comment-13384 In reply to Charlie.

Hey Charlie,

Thanks for reading and reaching out. And yes, there are several non-surgical approaches to preventing pattern hair loss. For instance, taking Finasteride (or any other drug that reduces DHT to castrate levels) before the onset of pattern hair loss and throughout the rest of someone’s adult life. Unfortunately this option is typically off-the-table for many people — as finasteride use long-term is associated with side effects that many men consider worse than hair loss (like erectile dysfunction).

In terms of natural approaches, it all depends on how you define natural. When it comes to hair loss, prevention is much easier than reversal. A good diet, lifestyle, and mechanical stimulation techniques (pinching, pressing, stretching the scalp) should go a long way toward staving off AGA onset.

Hair transplant procedures won’t prevent hair loss — but they will cosmetically mask hair loss, at least for a while.

Best,
Rob

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